Aug 29, 2022 Special Board Meetings

[I. OPEN SESSION]

[II. ROLL CALL/PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE]

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>> WOULD YOU PLEASE LEAD US IN THE PLEDGE.

>> THANK YOU. SO MORE DUTY THERE RECORDED A DIRECTION OF THE BOARD AVAILABLE FOR VIEWING ONLINE AND THE RECORDINGS WILL BE AVAILABLE FOR VIEWING AFTER THE BOARD MEETING THE RECORDINGS WILL CAPTURE ALL ACTIVITY IN DISCUSSIONS BEFORE DURING AND AFTER THE MEETINGS.

PLEASE NOTE THE PUBLIC COMMENT WILL ONLY BE ACCEPTED IN REGARDS TO THE ITEMS ON THE AGENDA SINCE THIS IS A SPECIL BOARD MEETING. IN ACCORDANCE WITH BOARD BYLAWS

[III. APPROVAL OF THE AGENDA]

ALL RIGHT. I WILL LOOK FOR A MOTION TO

APPROVE THE AGENDA. >> SO MOVED.

>> MOVED AND SECONDED. PLEASE CALL THE ROLE.

[IV.a. Receipt of Information Regarding Board Member Harden Related to Alleged Violation of Board Policy and Bylaws]

>> (ROLL CALLED). >> MOTION CARRIES.

NEXT WE HAVE A PRESENTATION REGARDING THE RECEIPT OF INFORMATION REGARDING BOARD MEMBER HARDENED RELATED TO ALLEGED VIOLATION OF BOARD POLICY AND BYLAWS.

I THINK LEGAL COUNSEL WILL PRESENT THIS ISSUE.

>> GOOD EVENING MEMBERS OF THE GOVERNING BOARDS SUPERINTENDENT EVANS I SERVE AS GENERAL COUNSEL TO THE SCHOOL BOARD.

TODAY I AM HERE TO PRESENT THE INFORMATION REGARDING AN ALLEGED VIOLATION OF BOARD POLICIES AND BYLAWS BY TRUSTEE ERIC HARGAN THAT WAS REPORTED TO THE DISTRICT ABOUT A WEEK AGO. WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO DO IS PROVIDE YOU WITH A SUMMARY OF THE INFORMATION THAT WE HAVE RECEIVED AND BE ABLE TO GIVE YOU A TIMELINE OF THE INFORMATION PROVIDED WITH AN OPPORTUNITY TO ASK QUESTIONS AND THEN GIVE THE BOARD AN OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE A DISCUSSION AND TO DELIBERATE. I LIKE TO GO AHEAD AND PROCEED.

SO THE REASON WHY WE ARE HERE TODAY IS THAT WHILE ATTENDING A SCHOOL DISTRICT FUNDED EVENT, THE DISTRICT RECEIVED AN EMAIL EXPRESSING CONCERN ABOUT TRUSTEE HARDEN'S CONDUCT.

THIS SLIDE PROVIDES YOU A SUMMARY OF THE CLAIMS MADE BY HOTEL STAFF WHEN THE TRUSTEE WAS STAYING AT A HOTEL DURING A DISTRICT FUNDING EVENT. IN AN EMAIL THAT YOU WILL SEE, IT WAS UNSOLICITED COMMUNICATION AND HOTEL STAFF STATED THAT THEY BELIEVE THE TRUSTEE WAS AN EMPLOYEE BUT AS YOU WILL SEE THE ALLEGATIONS ARE THAT MS. HARDEN COMPLAINT WITH THINGS THAT WERE WRONG WITH THE ROOM AND THE HOTEL TRY TO ACCOMMODATE THERE IS THE ALLEGATION THAT THE TRUSTEE THEN PROCEEDED TO WALK OUT WITH A DECORATIVE BASE THAT IS ON THE TABLE BY ELEVATORS IN THE FRONT DESK SUPERVISOR HAD TO GO AND RUN AFTER HER. THERE'S ALLEGATION TRUSTEE HARDEN MADE THE STATEMENT THAT SHE NEEDED TO GET THE STAFF'S ATTENTION THIS WAS SENT ON SATURDAY, AUGUST 20 WHICH WOULD'VE BEEN THE LAST OF THREE NAMES THIS EVENT WAS A DISTRICT FUNDED EVENT AND IT WAS A CALIFORNIA SCHOOL BOARD ASSOCIATION EVENT IT'S CALLED MASTERS AND GOVERNANCE.

WHAT THIS IS IS A PROFESSIONAL DEVELOPMENT FOR SCHOOL BOARD MEMBERS TO ATTEND AND ITS VARIOUS NUMBER OF TOPICS BUT IT GOES FOR A COUPLE OF SESSIONS AND THIS PARTICULAR SESSION WAS BEING HELD AT THE SAN BERNARDINO COUNTY SUPERINTENDENT OF SCHOOLS AND IT WAS TWO DAYS, AUGUST 19 AND SATURDAY, AUGUST 20. THE BOARD DOES MAKE AN INVESTMENT IN PROVIDING PROFESSIONAL DEVELOPMENT FOR SCHOOL BOARD MEMBERS. AND WORD BYLAWS 9240, THE BOARD

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NOW, YOU MAY BE ASKING AND MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC MAY BE ASKING, WELL, THIS IS A UNIQUE PROCESS, RIGHT? WHY ARE WE HAVING THIS DISCUSSION IN OPEN SESSION RATHER THAN IN CLOSED SESSION? WELL, THE BROWN ACT PROVIDES VERY LIMITED CIRCUMSTANCES IN WHICH WE CAN MEET IN CLOSED SESSION. WE CAN MEET IN CLOSED SESSION UNDER PUBLIC EMPLOYEE DISCIPLINE DISMISSAL RELEASE.

NOW, THAT TERM EMPLOYEE IS VERY IMPORTANT AND ALL THAT FACTORING IS GOING INTO CLOSED SESSION THE LAW STATES BOARD MEMBERS ARE NOT EMPLOYEES FOR PURPOSES OF A CLOSED SESSION PERSONAL EXEMPTION, THEREFORE AN INDIVIDUAL WHO IS NOT AN EMPLOYEE, ANY ACTION OR DISCUSSION THAT OCCURS MUST OCCUR IN OPEN SESSION, AND THAT'S WHY WE ARE HERE.

SO GOING BACK TO THE TIMELINE, IF I MAY.

ON AUGUST 20, AN EMAIL WAS SENT TO THE SUPERINTENDENT'S OFFICE.

ND HERE YOU HAVE THE TEXT OF EMAIL WITH THE NAME OF THE REPORTING PARTY REDACTED. I WILL REPRESENT THAT THE INDIVIDUAL THAT SENT US THIS INFORMATION IS AN EMPLOYEE OF THE EMBASSY SUITES HOTEL LOCATED IN ONTARIO, CALIFORNIA.

SO THIS STATEMENT HERE -- I WILL JUST READ IT VERBATIM -- GOOD EVENING, THIS IS TO INFORM ME OF AN ALTERCATION THAT HAS BEEN ENCOUNTERED WITH YOUR EMPLOYEE ERICA HARDEN.

SHE COMPLAINED ABOUT THINGS WRONG WITH HER ROOM.

WE DID ACCOMMODATE AND INFORMED HER THAT SHOULD SHE DECIDE TO CHECK OUT AT 7:00 P.M., SHE WOULD BE CHARGED FOR THAT LAST NIGHT ROOM AND TAX. THEY JUST HAD HER DAUGHTER FROM WHAT SHE SAYS MAKING THE COMPLAINTS AND MAKING A BIGGER SCENE. AS MS. HARDEN LEFT, SHE THEN PROCEEDED TO STEAL/WALK OUT WITH OUR DECORATIVE BASE THAT IS ON THE TABLE BY THE ELEVATORS.

THE FRONT DESK SUPERVISOR WENT AND RAN AFTER HER.

SHE THEN STATED THAT SHE NEEDED TO GET OUR ATTENTION AND GIVE HER SOME KIND OF COMPENSATION. THIS IS TO INFORM YOU OF HER ACTIONS. IN THIS SLIDE IS THE ACTUAL EMAIL THAT WAS SENT TO THE DISTRICT ON AUGUST 20, 2022.

FOLLOWING THAT, THE SUPERINTENDENT SENT AN EMAIL TO HOTEL STAFF WRITING, MY APOLOGIES FOR THIS SITUATION.

I AM THE SUPERINTENDENT OF THE DISTRICT AND WOULD YOU BE WILLING TO SEND US A VIDEO CLIP TO ASSIST US AS WE ADDRESS THIS SITUATION? THE SUPERINTENDENT WANTED TO KNOW IF THE VASE HAD BEEN RETURNED AND WHETHER LAW ENFORCEMENT HAD BEEN CONTACTED. AND HERE IS THE SCREEN CAPTURE OF THE EMAIL THAT SUPERINTENDENT EVANS SENT.

WE GOT A RESPONSE BACK FROM THE HOTEL.

AND IT STATED, GOOD AFTERNOON. YES.

THE VASE WAS RETURNED AS I DID HAVE TO PULL IT OUT OF HER HANDS. NO LAW ENFORCEMENT WAS CALLED.

IN THE VIDEO, HEAL, HARDEN WALKS OUT WITH THE VASE AND YOU SEE HER TURN AROUND AS I YELLED HER NAME AND SHE -- SHOULD YOU NEED FURTHER ASSISTANCE LET ME KNOW.

HERE IS THE SCREEN CAPTURE OF THE EMAIL SENT FROM THAT HOTEL STAFF. NOW, AS YOU SEE, THERE ARE THESE DECORATIVE FACES. ONE RIGHT HERE IN THIS PHOTO.

THIS IS A SCREENSHOT OF A PHOTO OF THE EMBASSY SUITES HOTEL IN ONTARIO, CALIFORNIA. AND THAT RED CIRCLE IDENTIFIES THE TYPE OF VASE THAT WAS ALLEGEDLY TAKEN.

AND AS WE REQUESTED WERE SUPERINTENDENT EVANS REQUESTED, THE HOTEL DID SEND US THIS VIDEO.

SO A COUPLE OF THINGS WITH THE VIDEO AND JUST LOOKING AT IT.

AS YOU MAY REMEMBER, THIS PACE IN THIS SCREENSHOT RESEMBLES THE VASE THAT APPEARS TO BE IN TRUSTEE HARDEN PLASMA HAND.

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THERE WAS A FOLLOW-UP COMMUNICATION ON AUGUST 27 FROM TRUSTEE HARDEN INFORMING THE SUPERINTENDENT THAT SHE HAD BEEN AWAY FOR A WHILE AND THAT THE INTERNET WHERE SHE WAS TRAVELING IS NOT THAT GREAT AND SHE ASKED FOR ADDITIONAL INFORMATION. SHE REQUESTED THAT THE SUPERINTENDENT CONTACT THE HOTEL AND SEE IF THEY WOULD SHARE ALL THE VIDEOS, SPECIFICALLY THE PART WHERE SHE PICKED UP, SET IT DOWN, WHICH I'M BELIEVING IS THE VASE AND GOT PERMISSION TO SHOW THE VASE TO HER DAUGHTER.

SHE ALSO SAYS IT WILL SHOW THAT THE FRONT DESK WOMAN THAT SAID SHE COULD SHOW IT TO HER SISTER/DAUGHTER AS LONG AS SHE DID NOT LEAVE THE PARKING LOT AND THAT THEY GOT TO KEEP HER WALLET WITH WHAT I'M ASSUMING IS THE CALIFORNIA DRIVER'S LICENSE AND I GUESS A CREDIT CARD.

KRISTI HARDEN IS REQUESTING IN THIS EMAIL THAT SHE WOULD LIKE TO SHARE THE ENTIRE VIDEO PLAYED AS THIS PIECE DOES MAKE HER LOOK BAD BUT THERE IS AUDIO AND IT STATES THAT THE LADY SAYS THAT YOU CAN'T TAKE IT, THAT SHE IS NEW AND DIDN'T UNDERSTAND. I BELIEVE REFERRING TO THE VASE AND THE VIDEO WILL SHOW THAT SHE WENT BACK AND GOT HER CREDIT CARD AND HER DL WHICH I BELIEVE IS HER DRIVER'S LICENSE.UPERINTENDENT EVANS CALLED THE HOTEL THREE TIMES OVER THREE DAYS, SATURDAY, AUGUST 27, 2022.

THE EMPLOYEE WHO EMAILED SAID THEY WOULD BE BACK TO WORK ON SUNDAY, AUGUST 28 AFTER 3:00 P.M. AND ON SUNDAY HE CONTACTED AND WAS TOLD THAT THE EMPLOYEE WOULD BE THERE NO LONGER AND THEN TODAY SUPERINTENDENT EVANS SPOKE WITH THE MANAGER WHO WAS AWARE OF THE VASE ISSUE BUT HAD NOT BEEN ABLE TO -- HAD BEEN OUT HIMSELF. THE MANAGER OF THE HOTEL CONFIRMED THERE WAS NO VOICE OR AUDIO RECORDINGS ON THE CAMERAS BECAUSE IT'S AGAINST THE LAW TO RECORD AUDIO RECORDING.

THE VIDEO WAS REQUESTED BUT WE WERE TOLD THAT IT WAS POSSIBLE OTHER CAMERAS DIDN'T CATCH ANYTHING.

AND JUST TO NOTE, CALIFORNIA IS WHAT YOU CALL A CONSENT STATE FOR RECORDING COMMUNICATIONS, MEANING THAT IF THERE IS A CHANCE THAT YOU COULD BE AUDIO RECORDING CONFIDENTIAL COMMUNICATIONS, YOU HAVE TO HAVE EVERYONE'S CONSENT TO DO SO. SO IT'S UNDERSTANDABLE THAT THE HOTEL WOULD NOT HAVE CONSISTENTLY AUDIO RECORDINGS OCCURRING ON ITS PREMISES. AND NOT ONLY THROUGHOUT THE PROCESS BUT ALSO AT THE FRONT DESK.

PEOPLE ARE EXCHANGING CREDIT CARD INFORMATION, PERSONAL INFORMATION ON THAT TYPE OF THING.

SO IT IS UNDERSTANDABLE THAT THEY DO NOT HAVE AUDIO RECORDINGS. JUST TO KIND OF STEP BACK, THOUGH, AND IT THE FACT THAT THERE WAS THIS PHONE CALL BETWEEN TRUSTEE HARDEN AND SUPERINTENDENT EVANS, I AM AWARE OF THE DISCUSSION THAT OCCURRED IN THE FOLLOWING WAS COMMUNICATED TO SUPERINTENDENT EVANS BY TRUSTEE HARDEN -- HARDEN. IN TRUSTEE HARDEN DID INFORMED SUPERINTENDENT EVANS THAT THE ROOM WAS UNACCEPTABLE.

SHE MADE A POINT TO SAY, HEY, THE ROOM WAS NOT CLEAN AND SHE

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SHE STATED THAT SHE WANTED TO SHOW HER SISTER THE VASE BECAUSE HER SISTER WORKS IN THE SAME INDUSTRY AND THAT SHE STATED THAT SHE DID NOT HAVE HER BAGS WITH HER WHEN SHE WENT OUTSIDE AND THAT SHE CLARIFIED THAT SHE TOLD THE HOTEL THAT IT WAS HER DAUGHTER BUT IT WAS REALLY HER SISTER.

I GUESS THAT WAS WITH HER. >> THANKS FOR TRYING TO DO SOME OF THAT STUFF FOR ME. JUST FOR THE SAKE OF FAIRNESS, I WILL JUST CLARIFY JUST A FEW THINGS.

PART OF THE PHONE CALL TRUSTEE HARDEN SAID SHE NEVER LEFT WITH THE VASE. NEVER LEFT THE BUILDING WITH THE VASE NOT THAT SHE HAD STEPPED OUTSIDE.

THAT WAS THE SECOND TIME THAT SHE DID NOT LEAVE THE PARKING LOT IN THE EMAIL AND SHE DID STATE SHE LEFT HER STUFF IN THE ROOM AND JUST TOOK THE VASE TO SHOW HER SISTER WORKED IN THE SAME INDUSTRY. I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY THAT.

>> THANK YOU. >> JUST CLARIFICATION.

I NO LONGER HAD ACCESS TO THE ROOM BECAUSE THEY HAD ALREADY BEEN CHECKED OUT AND THE ONLY WAY I GOT ANOTHER KEY IS THEY GIVE ME A KEY WHEN I VISIT I WOULD LIKE TO TAKE THE VASE OUT. IT'S BECAUSE MY GRANDMOTHER USED TO HAVE ONE EXACTLY LIKE IT.

>> SO I DON'T WANT TO DELIVER ASAP.

PLEASE STAY IN ORDER. WE HAVE ORDER HERE.

WE OPERATE ON AN ORDER. WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO HAPPEN IS FOR ROMAN TO FINISH THE PRESENTATION, AND THEN AFTER THAT IF THERE'S NO OBJECTION WE WILL TAKE PUBLIC COMMENT AND WE WILL HAVE A DISCUSSION BUT WE ARE GOING TO ALLOW YOU THE OPPORTUNITY TO USE RESPOND TO THE ALLEGATION.

THANK YOU. GO AHEAD, ROMAN.

>> SO IN REVIEWING THESE ALLEGATIONS, WE REVIEWED THE BOARD BYLAWS AND POLICIES FOR POTENTIAL VIOLATIONS, AND LOOKING AT BOARD BYLAWS 9271 CODE OF ETHICS, YOU KNOW, THIS IS A QUOTE TAKEN DIRECTLY FROM OUR BOARD BYLAWS AND ALL ACTIONS AS A SCHOOL BOARD MEMBER, THE MEMBER'S IT'S THE WELL-BEING OF OUR YOUTH IS WHERE THE PRIMARY RESPONSIBILITY IS TO EVERY STUDENT IN THE DISTRICT.

EACH MEMBER MUST BE AWARE OF AND COMPLY WITH THE CONSTITUTIONS OF THE STATE AND NATION AND EDUCATION CODE AND OF THE STATE OF CALIFORNIA AND OTHER LAWS PERTAINING TO PUBLIC EDUCATION AND THE ESTABLISHED POLICIES OF THE DISTRICT.

BOARD BYLAWS 9271 ALSO CONTINUES ON TO STATE THAT EVERY BOARD MEMBER SHALL CONSIDER HIS OR HER POSITION ON THE BOARD AS A PUBLIC TRUST AND NOT TO USE IT FOR PRIVATE ADVANTAGE OR PERSONAL GAIN. TO MAKE USE OF OPPORTUNITIES TO ENLARGE HIS OR HER POTENTIAL AS A BOARD MEMBER THROUGH PARTICIPATION IN EDUCATIONAL CONFERENCES, WORKSHOPS, TRAINING SESSIONS MADE AVAILABLE BY LOCAL, STATE, AND NATIONAL AGENCIES. AND THEN WITHIN THIS BOARD BY LAW, THERE'S A CODE OF ETHICS THAT STATES THAT AS A BOARD MEMBER, I WILL WORK TO ENSURE PRUDENT AND ACCOUNTABLE USE OF DISTRICT RESOURCES. I WILL ALWAYS TELL THE TRUTH AND I WILL CONSISTENTLY UPHOLD ALL APPLICABLE LAWS, RULES, POLICIES, AND PROCEDURES. NOW, THIS WOULD BE AN APPROPRIATE TIME FOR -- TO HAVE TRUSTEE HARDEN HURST PERSPECTIVE OF THE ALLEGATION AND OF THE VIDEO IF YOU STILL

WOULD LIKE. >> AND WANTED TO OPEN IT FOR PUBLIC COMMENT AND THEN WE CAN GO INTO THE DELIBERATION OF ITS HAPPENING HERE. I HAVE ONE PUBLIC COMMENT FROM SHARON THURMAN. PLEASE COME UP.

>> GOOD AFTERNOON, EVERYONE. >> GOOD AFTERNOON.

>> WE ARE ALL ON THE SAME PAGE. I AM HERE AS A REPRESENTATIVE OF OUR COMMUNITY. WHEN I RECEIVED THE EMAIL, I LOOKED FOR SOME TYPE OF BACKUP DOCUMENTATION AND JUST READ IT NOW, HAVING NOT SEEN THE ATTACHED, AS USUAL.

AND I JUST WANTED TO MAKE THESE COMMENTS.

MY MOM SINCE THERE ARE THREE SIDES TO EVERY STORY.

YOURS, THE OTHER PERSON'S AND WHAT REALLY HAPPENED AND USUALLY ONLY GOD KNOWS THAT. SO AS WE GO THROUGH THIS PROCESS OF THE BOARD LOOKING AT THE INFORMATION YOU ARE RECEIVING, I WILL ASK YOU TO KEEP THAT IN MIND.

YOU WILL NOT HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO KNOW THE FINER DETAILS, BUT YOU WILL BE ABLE TO HERE BEST HARDEN'S PERSON.

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WE ARE FAMILIAR WITH THE KAREN PRINCIPAL.

OR THE MINDSET THAT SAYS WHEN A BLACK PERSON MAKES A MOVE, IT HAS TO BE CONSIDERED A VIOLATION OF THE LAW.

HERE IN THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA.

I WILL ALSO ASK YOU TO CONSIDER THAT THIS MATTER, ALTHOUGH IMPORTANT, MIGHT REQUIRE YOU ARE TAKING NO FURTHER ACTION THEN TO GET THE SAME AMOUNT OF SPEED AND URGENCY TO THE EDUCATION OF OUR CHILDREN WHEN IT COMES TO THEIR READING PROFICIENCY, FOR BLACK AMERICANS IN OUR SCHOOL DISTRICT IT IS BELOW 70 PERCENT, AS YOU WELL KNOW.

THE MATH PROFICIENCY FOR OUR STUDENTS IS ALSO URGENT.

LEASE TAKE NO ACTION, NO FURTHER ACTION.

THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU.

SO ACCORDING TO LEGAL COUNSEL, THIS WILL BE THE TIME THAT TRUSTEE HARDEN CAN SHARE HER PERSPECTIVE ON THE ALLEGED EVENTS. SO I WOULD LIKE TO OPEN THE

FLOOR TO YOU TO RESPOND.>> I APOLOGIZE FOR SPEAKING OUT OF

ORDER PREVIOUSLY. >> YOU ARE GOOD.

>> I WISH THE WHOLE VIDEO COULD HAVE BEEN SEEN.

YES, I CHECKED INTO THE HOTEL. I WAS MOVED THE FIRST 9 A.M.

THERE WERE SLIDES THAT WERE SENT THAT WERE TOO LATE TO GET INVOLVED. I WAS MOVED THAT SAME NIGHT AND THAT ROOM WAS NOT CLEAN NOR HAD BEEN CHECKED BY THE SUPERVISOR.

I MOVED TO A SECOND ROOM THAT HAD TO KNOW CLIPPINGS IN THE BED, TAPE AND I FOUND FEET SCRUBBY STUFF OR WHATEVER COMES OFF, DRY SKIN. THERE WAS TOOTHPASTE AND OTHER THINGS AND HAIR INSIDE OF THE TOWELS.

I SPRAYED DOWN AND I MAY DO AND TRY TO GET ONTO THE SOAP AT THE STOVE -- SO PET FOOD AND MAYBE SOME OTHER KIND OF CONTENT THAT I WILL DISCUSS. THE NEXT MORNING WHEN I WENT OUT THEY SAID THEY WOULD CLEAN THE ROOM.

THE ROOM WAS NOT CLEANED. THE DAY AFTERWARDS THEY SAID THEY WOULD TRY TO DO IT AGAIN AND WITH ME AND INSTEAD THE LADY WAS HONEST ENOUGH TO SAY THERE WON'T BE ROOM CLEAN ENOUGH AND I AM A DIAMOND MEMBER OF HILTON HONORS AND SHE SAID BECAUSE THEY DON'T HAVE STAFF RIGHT NOW EVERYBODY THAT'S WORKING THERE IS THROUGH AN AGENCY SO NOTHING IS UP TO PART. I DID CHECK OUT AND DIDN'T ASK FOR ANY KIND OF COMPENSATION BECAUSE IT WOULDN'T BE COMING BACK TO ME BUT IT WOULD COME BACK TO YOU.

I DID NOTICE THE VASE AND I PICKED THE VASE UP AND I ASKED FOR THAT IN THE VIDEO SET IT DOWN AND LOOKED AT MY PACK OVER AND ASKED WOULD IT BE FOR ME TO TAKE IT OUT AND SHOW HER.

THEY SAID YES. I OFFERED TO LEAVE MY STUFF AND ACCEPTED THE STUFF AND THEY REKEYED THE KEY SO I COULD GET BACK IN THE DOOR TO THE LADY THAT APPROACHED ME IN THAT MANNER ALL SHE SAID WAS TO ME WAS WAIT A MINUTE.NCE SHE GOT OUT SHE IS NEW YOU CAN'T TAKE THAT OUT OF THE BUILDING.

SO WHEN THE SUPERINTENDENT ASKED ME DID I TAKE IT OUT OF THE BUILDING, I SAID NO BECAUSE I WAS ON A CRUISE SHIP FOR WORK WORKING WITH PEOPLE I DIDN'T CONSIDER THAT OUTSIDE THE BUILDING. AT NO TIME WAS THERE ANY TYPE OF INTENT ON STEALING A VASE. I'M QUITE AWARE OF WHAT STEALING GETS IN. I DON'T HAVE ANY TO STEAL A BASE. I MIGHT NOT BE THE RICHEST PERSON ON THE PLANET BUT A THIEF IS ONE THING I'M NOT.

IT'S UNFORTUNATE THAT THEY DID NOT SEND OVER THE ENTIRE VIDEO TO BE ABLE TO GET MORE IN DEPTH.

I THINK EVERYTHING THAT'S COME OUT AND ALL WHO HAVE CALLED TO SUPPORT ME BECAUSE I UNDERSTAND AND I DO UNDERSTAND WHY WE ARE HERE TODAY AND I ACCEPT THAT, BUT I DID NOTHING WRONG.

AS FAR AS HAVING THE CSP ON NOBODY ACTED ANY TYPE OF WAY.

I CHOSE NOT TO GO BACK IN. THE KEY WAS REUSED AND MY STUFF WAS GIVEN ENOUGH ALL THE THINGS I WAS HOPING TO GET OFF OF THE TAPE TO SHOW THE ENTIRETY OF IT ALL, NOT JUST THE PIECE THEY CHOSE TO SHOW. I'M NOT SAYING THE DISTRICT CHOSE THIS BUT I BELIEVE THAT'S WHAT WAS BROUGHT OVER TO THEM.

I DO BELIEVE THE SUPERINTENDENT DID REACH OUT TO THEM AS THAT I WITH NO RESPONSE. THANK YOU.

>> TRUSTEES, DISCUSSION? >> I HAVE ONE QUESTION.

SO TRUSTEE HARDEN, CAN YOU VERIFY FOR US IS THAT YOU IN

THE VIDEO? >> YES, IT IS.

>> OKAY. I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE.

>> OKAY. TRUSTEES? OKAY. I WANT TO JUST KIND OF RECOGNIZE SOME OF THE COMMENTS MADE ABOUT BEING BLACK IN AMERICA AND BEING A KAREN. THIS IS NOT RIGHT PREFER TO BE

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WE HAVE A RESPONSIBILITY AS A BOARD TO ADDRESS THINGS THAT COME BEFORE US. IF IT WERE MY PREFERENCE, IT PROBABLY WOULD BE HANDLED IN CLOSED SESSION BUT THAT'S NOT WHAT THE LAW AFFORDS US. SO IT'S OUR RESPONSIBILITY TO ADDRESS THESE THINGS AND I WANT TO MAKE THAT CLEAR TO THE PUBLIC. THIS IS NOT RIGHT PREFER TO BE SPENDING MY TIME. TRUSTEE HARDEN, I JUST HAVE ONE QUESTION, AND THERE IS SUCH A DYNAMIC DIFFERENCE IN THE TELLING OF WHAT'S HAPPENING AT MULTIPLE LEVELS.

WE HAVE A SUPERINTENDENT THAT I THINK HAS A PRETTY -- AND WORKING WITH ALL OF US A PRETTY BROAD IMAGINATION IN TERMS OF THINGS THAT CAN HAPPEN. WHY NOT JUST TALK TO HIM CANDIDLY EVEN IF YOU ARE ON A CRUISE SHIP ABOUT WHAT

HAPPENED? >> I DIDN'T HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY. AND WHEN HE DID TRY TO REACH OUT TO ME AGAIN I WAS UNAVAILABLE.

THERE WAS NO WAY AROUND -- IT WAS FINE WHEN HE SPOKE I WAS ON AN ISLAND AND I HAD CELL SERVICE AND THE OTHER TIMES IT DID NOT AND I DID TELL HIM I WOULD NOT NECESSARILY BE AVAILABLE. I CHECKED IN AS SOON AS I WAS ABLE TO WHICH WAS AFTER-THE-FACT.

>> SO IN THE VIDEO, THESE QUESTIONS I HAVE TO ASK.>>

PLEASE DO. >> OKAY.WE HAVE TO HOLD EACH OTHER ACCOUNTABLE. I DON'T SEE ANYONE MEETING YOU OUTSIDE OF THE BUILDING TO SHOW THE VASE.

WHERE WAS THIS SISTER, DAUGHTER.

>> TO THE LEFT. >> AND WAS THERE ANY ATTEMPT TO TALK TO THE FRONT STAFF AND SAY MY SISTER IS JUST OVER THERE.

CAN I JUST CONTINUE TO TALK TO HER?HERE'S A MISUNDERSTANDING. CAN SHE COME INTO TAKE A LOOK AT THE VASE? WHY WASN'T THERE ANY THOUGHT PROCESS AROUND MAYBE SHE SHOULD COME IN AND TAKE A LOOK AT IT?

>> THAT WAS THE SAME MANAGER I HAD BEEN DEALING WITH PRETTY MUCH THE WHOLE TIME SO I DON'T THINK THERE WOULD'VE BEEN ANY UNDERSTANDING WHATSOEVER. SHE MADE IT CLEAR WHEN SHE SAID SHE'S NEW. SHE DOESN'T KNOW THAT.

SHE CAN'T TAKE THAT OUT OF CARE.

SO I TOOK THAT AS JUST THAT. WE DEFINITELY WENT BACK IN AND THERE WAS A CONVERSATION. THERE WAS NO NEED FOR ME TO HAVE A FURTHER CONVERSATION BECAUSE SHE OBVIOUSLY FELT THE

WAY THAT SHE FELT. >> OKAY.O I DON'T ENTIRELY DEGREE THAT THERE DOESN'T NEED TO BE A FURTHER CONVERSATION.

>> I MET WITH HER. >> THAT'S WHAT I'M DISAGREEING WITH. AS TRUSTEES, WE HAVE VERY PUBLIC POSITIONS. THERE IS A LOT OF PRESSURE IN THOSE POSITIONS AND ACCOUNTS HAVE ALWAYS ACTED PERFECTLY.

BUT IT DOES COME WITH A HEIGHTENED LEVEL OF AWARENESS OF HOW THINGS CAN LOOK IN TIME AND SPACE, AND IT DOESN'T APPEAR TO BE THE BEST LUCK. SO I WILL YIELD TO OTHER TRUSTEES IF THERE ARE QUESTIONS.

>> ALL RIGHT. SO THIS MAY NOT EVEN BE RELEVANT TO THE CASE BUT I'M JUST GOING TO ASK THIS ONE QUESTION BECAUSE I THINK IT MAY BE RELEVANT IN THE CLARIFICATION. SO TRUSTEE HARDEN, WHEN I'M LOOKING AT THE TRANSCRIPTS, YOU REFER TO THE PERSON AS YOUR DAUGHTER AND THEN YOU REFER TO THE PERSON AS HER SISTER.

IT WAS WITH YOU? YOUR DAUGHTER OR YOUR SISTER?

>> WAS MY SISTER. >> IT WAS MY SISTER.

>> OKAY. SO MY SECOND QUESTION IS BECAUSE I JUST WANTED TO GET THAT CLARIFIED BECAUSE IT GOES BACK AND FORTH IN THE TRANSCRIPT, SO TO SPEAK.

THE SECOND QUESTION IS, SO WHEN HE SPOKE TO SUPERINTENDENT EVANS, YOU SAID TO HIM THAT YOU DID NOT WALK OUT OF THE HOTEL.

>> YES, I DID SAY THAT. >> OKAY.

AND SO I'M NOT SURE IF IT WAS THREE DAYS LATER THAT THAT STORY CHANGED AND IT CHANGED WHEN YOU WERE MADE AWARE THAT

THERE WAS A VIDEO. >> I WAS ONLY MADE AWARE THERE WAS A VIDEO THAT SHOULD BE OUTSIDE FROM DAY ONE.ROM THE

BEGINNING OF OUR CONVERSATION. >> OKAY.

CAN I GET CLARIFICATION FROM THE SUPERINTENDENT?

>> THANK YOU. I WAHOPING THAT I WOULDN'T HAVE TO SPEAK BECAUSE IT'S UNCOMFORTABLE FOR EVERYONE BUT ESPECIALLY WHEN THIS IS 20 PERCENT OF MY BOSS.

I WILL READ THE NOTE SO EVERYONE CAN UNDERSTAND ON AUGUST 23, AT 2:46 I CALLED TRUSTEE HARDEN REGARDING EMAIL RE-RECEIPT AND I HAD SPOKEN WITH PRESIDENT GRANT MULTIPLE TIMES TO DO SOME THINKING AND HAVE A THOUGHT PARTNER AND FIGURE OUT TO WHAT EXTENT THE BOARD WOULD POSSIBLY WANT ME TO HANDLE THIS. THAT'S STANDARD PRACTICE TO WORK WITH THE SITTING PRESIDENT.

SO I READ THE EMAIL. THESE ARE FROM MY NOTES.

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SHE STATED IT WAS HER SISTER WITH HER, NOT HER DAUGHTER.

AT THIS POINT I HAD NOT SHARED THAT WE HAD A VIDEO BECAUSE WHAT I DID WAS GO IN CHRONOLOGICAL ORDER.

FIRST OFF, I READ THE EMAIL WE HAD RECEIVED FROM THE NOT ANONYMOUS EMPLOYEE PICK ME REDACTED THE EMPLOYEE'S MADE TO PROTECT THEM AND THEN AFTER THAT CONVERSATION I WOULD GO THROUGH THE EMAIL THAT I HAD SENT AND THEN THE THIRD THING WOULD BE I WOULD SHARE THAT NOW THERE IS A VIDEO IN PLACE.

SO THEN TRUSTEE HARDEN FOLLOWED UP AND SAID SHE LEFT HER STUFF IN THE ROOM AND JUST TOOK THE VASE TO SHARE WITH HER SISTER WHO WORKS IN THE SAME SPECIFICALLY COMPANY BUT INDUSTRY IS WHAT I'VE BEEN REPORTING.

I SHARED WITH TRUSTEE HARDEN THAT I HAD ASKED THAT SHE CONTACTED LAW ENFORCEMENT -- OR HAD THEY CONTACTED LAW ENFORCEMENT, HAD THE EMBASSY SUITES.

TRUSTEE HARDEN INTERRUPTED AND SAID SHE HAD TRIED TO CALL LAW ENFORCEMENT. SHE ALSO STATED THAT SHE HAD CALLED LAW ENFORCEMENT AND THEY SAID THEY WOULD NOT COME OUT FOR SOMETHING LIKE THIS. I ALSO SHARED WITH HER AT THAT POINT THAT I HAD SENT THE EMAIL FOLLOWING UP REQUESTING THE VIDEO AND SO AT THAT POINT IN TIME, I BEGAN TO DISCUSS THAT THE VIDEO SHOWED HER BOTH EXITING THE ROOM WITH -- EXITING THE BUILDING WITH THE VASE AND THAT HER BACKPACK WAS ON, BAGS WERE ON BECAUSE THE BAGS WERE NECESSARILY LEFT IN THE BUILDING AND THEN I ALSO STATED BECAUSE IF YOU HAVE AN IPAD OR A PHONE AND CAN ZOOM IN THAT IT APPEARED THAT THE LANYARD AND THE BADGE INCLUDES YOUR NAME AND ANNOUNCES THE EVENT YOU ARE ATTENDING ON THE SCHOOL DISTRICT AND ASKS IF THAT WAS WHAT WAS ON AND SHE STATED YES.

SO AT THAT POINT, IT WAS -- I HAVE TO CHECK.

IT WAS A DAY OR TWO LATER THAT I ASKED PRESIDENT GRANT -- I STATED THAT I FELT IT WAS AT LEAST MINIMUM FAIR TO SHARE WITH TRUSTEE HARDENED BOTH THE TEXT OF THE EMAILS THAT WERE SENT AS WELL AS THE VIDEO AND WE AGREED.

AND SO AT THAT POINT IT WAS SENT.

>> SO IT WAS NOT SENT INITIALLY IN YOUR INITIAL CONVERSATION WITH TRUSTEE HARDEN, THAT INFORMATION WAS NOT AVAILABLE.

IT WAS JUST A VERBAL DESCRIPTION AND THEN YOU TEXT.

>>. >> YOU DID SAY THERE WAS A

VIDEO, CORRECT. >> ABSOLUTELY.> I JUST

WANTED TO MAKE SURE. >> ABSOLUTELY.

>> I DID NOT SEE THE VIDEO IT WAS SENT ME TWO DAYS AFTER THE

FACT OR SOMETHING. >> WAS MY CLARIFICATION.T DIDN'T SOUND AS THOUGH YOU WERE --

>> MEDIA AWARE AND HAD INFORMED YOU ACCORDING TO THE VIDEO THAT YOU DID SHOW YOU STEP OUTSIDE AND THAT YOU HAD A BAG ON WHICH WAS OPPOSITE TO WHAT YOU HAD SHARED.

>> SO WHEN YOU STEPPED OUTSIDE AND I KNOW THAT WE ARE HEARING TRUSTEE HARDING AND I KNOW WE ARE HEARING YOUR ACCOUNT OF WHAT HAPPENED. MOST LIKELY DUE TO COVID IS NOT HERE WERE TO CALL IN TO GIVE US FURTHER DIRECTION BUT I BELIEVE THAT LEGAL COUNSEL SHARED A STATEMENT THAT SAID YOU HAD WALKED -- YOU SHARED IT WITH -- YOU WANT OUT TO GET THEIR ATTENTION WITH THE BASE. DID I GET THAT RIGHT?

>> I BELIEVE THAT WAS REPORTED BY HOTEL STAFF.

>> ALLEGEDLY THAT'S WHAT TRUSTEE HARDENED SAID IS THAT SHE WALKED OUT TO MAKE A STATEMENT AND SO I AM WONDERING BECAUSE I HAVE THESE BITS AND PIECES OF INFORMATION AND IT'S KIND OF LIKE I WALKED OUT -- THIS IS JUST MY PERCEPTION.

BUT I MEAN IT LEAVES US WITH HE WALKED OUT OF THE HOTEL AND YOU'RE UPSET AND YOU TAKE THE VASE.

WALK OUT AND YOU TELL THE HOTEL YOU KNOW, I WALKED OUT BECAUSE I HAD TO GET YOUR ATTENTION AND THEN THE DESCRIPTION FROM THE HOTEL STAFF SAID THAT THEY NEEDED TO PRY THE VASE OUT OF YOUR HANDS. SO AM I CORRECT AGAIN, WITH OUR LEGAL COUNSEL LOOKING AT THEIR -- I BELIEVE THAT WAS A STATEMENT ON THERE. I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT

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COUNSEL HEARD. >> THE RESPONSE ON AUGUST 21 AT 8:40 2:00 P.M. WAS THAT THE VASE WAS RETURNED AS I DID HAVE

TO PULL IT OUT OF HER HANDS. >> ALL RIGHT.

AND THE PART ABOUT MAKING A STATEMENT, WALKING OUT TO GET

THEIR ATTENTION. >> THAT IS LOCATED RIGHT HERE.

>> OKAY. I WILL YIELD.

>> MAY I SPEAK ON THAT? >> I HAVEN'T HEARD FROM TRUSTEE KAPLAN AND WENT TO MAKE SURE SHE HAS AN OPPORTUNITY.

>> THANK YOU PRESIDENT GRANT. YOU KNOW, THIS IS AN UNCOMFORTABLE SITUATION BECAUSE MOSTLY WHEN WE DEAL WITH EMPLOYEES, THIS IS A CONFIDENTIAL NATURE, AND BEING THAT WE ARE ELECTED, SCHOOL BOARDS ACT BOTH IN THE CAPACITY AS AN EMPLOYER AS WELL AS A LEGISLATIVE BODY, SO THIS IS AS ACTING AS A LEGISLATIVE BODY AND IT ALSO MEANS, YOU KNOW, MY TRAINING WITH THE SCHOOL BOARD WE HAVE TO MAINTAIN WORKPLACE INTEGRITY, PERSONAL INTEGRITY AND POLITICAL INTEGRITY.

AND ITS EXPECTATIONS AS WE REITERATE EVERY JANUARY WHEN WE PASSED OUR BOARD BYLAWS IN THE HANDBOOK THAT WE WILL EXHIBIT APPROPRIATE CONDUCT AND JUDGMENT WARRANTED IN ALL MATTERS RELATED TO BEING A SCHOOL BOARD MEMBER.

IT'S TOUGH. LIKE YOU SAID, TRUSTEE GRANT, WE TRY AND MAINTAIN A CERTAIN STATURE AND WE ARE NOT ALWAYS PERFECT, AND EVERYONE MAKES MISTAKES, BUT IT DOES BEAR THAT WE DO NEED TO HOLD OURSELVES, EACH OF US, ACCOUNTABLE TO HONESTY, ETHICS, AND TRUTHFULNESS.

A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS, JUST TO FOLLOW UP THAT TRUSTEE ARE READY YOU BROUGHT UP BUT I WANT TO CLOSE THE LOOP ON SUPERINTENDENT EVIDENCE YOU MENTIONED AFTER A CONVERSATION WITH PRESIDENT GRANT THAT LIKE TWO DAYS LATER YOU SHARED WITH TRUSTEE HARDEN THE EMAIL AND THE VIDEO.

WHAT THAT APPROXIMATELY HAVE BEEN ON AUGUST 25?

>> I BELIEVE SO. >> AND THEN THE EMAIL EXPLANATION, WHICH HAD SOME INCONSISTENCIES WAS THEN RECEIVED ON AUGUST 27, TWO DAYS LATER.

IS THAT CORRECT?> IF YOU ARE SAYING THE EMAIL I RECEIVED FROM TRUSTEE HARDEN WITH A DESCRIPTION OF EVENTS, THAT

WOULD BE AUGUST 27. >> CAN YOU CLARIFY WHAT THE INCONSISTENCIES WERE FROM YOUR INITIAL CONVERSATION TUESDAY,

AUGUST 27? >> I WILL DO MY BEST.

LET ME PULL UP THE EMAIL. SO AS I DESCRIBED A LITTLE EARLIER, THE DESCRIPTION THAT TRUSTEE HARDEN NEVER LEFT WITH THE VASE AND THAT THE BAGS WERE LEFT INSIDE THE ROOM OR -- MY NOTES SAME ROOM BUT I HEAR INSIDE.

AND THEN I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S AN INCONSISTENCY BETWEEN THE EMAILS, THE SISTER/DAUGHTER THING.

BUT SHE NEVER LEFT WITH THE VASE AND THE BAGS WERE LEFT INSIDE. AND THEN LOOKING AT THE 27TH EMAIL ON THE 23RD THERE WAS NO CONVERSATION ON THE PHONE CALL ABOUT KEEPING THE WALLET, DRIVERS LICENSE, CREDIT CARD, IF THAT'S WHAT IT SAID BUT ALSO UNDERSTANDING THAT THE PHONE CALL AND AN EMAIL FOUR DAYS APART DOESN'T NECESSARILY MEAN THAT THAT WASN'T SOMETHING THAT HAPPENED.

>> THANK YOU. APPRECIATE STAFF AND TRUSTEE HARDEN REACHING OUT TO THE FRONT DESK BECAUSE THERE ARE ALWAYS THREE SIDES, AS MS. THURMAN STATED. BUT IN MY LEGAL TRAINING AND IN MY 22 YEARS OF EXPERIENCE OF BEING AN ATTORNEY, THERE IS SOMETHING THAT THE COURTS AND OTHER SYSTEM GENERALLY LEND A

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SO WHEN I LOOK AT THE EMAIL FROM THE FRONT DESK WHICH WAS SENT THE SAME NIGHT AT 10:30, SOME OF THE THINGS STATED IN THEIR JUST GIVE ME SOME PAUSE AND SOME CONCERN BECAUSE ONE, IF THERE WAS SOME DISAGREEMENTS, EVEN OVER THE STATUS OF WHAT THE ROOM LOOKS LIKE, WHICH IS NEVER SICK ACCEPTABLE IF THERE IS TOENAIL AND FOOD AND CLIPPINGS AND THERE EVER AND IT'S IMPORTANT FOR US THAT I GO BACK TO US AS TRUSTEES TO REMEMBER WHO WE ARE AND HOW WE PRESENT OURSELVES AND THAT EVEN IF THE FRONT DESK INDIVIDUAL WAS MISTAKEN FOR THEM TO WRITE THAT THEY BELIEVE TRUSTEE HARDEN MENTIONED THAT SHE NEEDED TO GIVE -- GET THEIR ATTENTION AND GIVE HER SOME SORT OF COMPENSATION, THAT TERMINOLOGY CAUSES ME VERY MUCH CONCERNED BECAUSE THIS IS TAXPAYER RESOURCES, SO NO COMPENSATION CAN ACTUALLY BE GIVEN.

BECAUSE IT WOULD BE GIVEN TO US AS A SCHOOL DISTRICT.

SO AGAIN, AT THAT LEVEL, EVEN IF SOMETHING WAS SAID, THAT IS WHOLLY INAPPROPRIATE BECAUSE THAT DOES CROSS THE LINE WE ARE ON DISTRICT TIME. FOR ME, I AM CONCERNED ABOUT THE INCONSISTENCIES. I DO GIVE A CERTAIN WEIGHT TO A CERTAIN WEIGHT TO THE SUPERINTENDENT AND THE WORDS USED WHICH DO CAUSE ME CONCERN AND I AM INTERESTED IN HEARING WHAT MY FELLOW BOARD MEMBERS FEEL AND HOW THEY SEE THIS.

>> WANT TO GET TRUSTEE HARDEN AN OPPORTUNITY.

MAKE SURE I'M NOT PASSING OVER YOU.

TRUSTEE HARDEN. >> I DON'T REMEMBER WHAT I WAS GOING TO SAY. SO THAT'S OKAY.

>> I APOLOGIZE. >> I CAN TELL YOU WHAT I'M FEELING. IT DOES APPEAR TO BE INCONSISTENT. A LOT OF THINGS HAVE HAPPENED AND I WANT TO RECOGNIZE THAT THERE ARE THINGS WE WILL BE ABLE TO PULL TOGETHER BECAUSE WE ARE NOT A GOVERNING BODY OR THE HOTEL. WE CANNOT MAKE THE HOTEL COME AND GIVE US ANYTHING THAT WE HAD TO COOPERATE WITH.

I'M SORRY THAT THE SERVICE IS BAD.

I'VE BEEN IN THAT SITUATION BEFORE.

I WILL SAY TRUSTEE KAPLAN, I THINK IT WAS GENUINELY IN THE SENSOR NEEDS TO BE SOME TYPE OF REIMBURSEMENT.

UNDERSTAND WHAT THE APPEARANCE LOOKS LIKE AND WANT TO ACKNOWLEDGE THAT APPEARANCE. SO IT'S A ROUGH ONE.

AND SO I'M INTERESTED AT THIS POINT IF THERE IS NOT FURTHER DELIBERATION OR TRUSTEE HARDEN IF YOU DON'T HAVE ANYTHING ELSE

TO SHARE. >> AS I STATED BEFORE WAS NOT LOOKING FOR ANY OF COMPENSATION.

NOR DID I SAM WANTED TO GET THEIR ATTENTION.

I WAS ALREADY CHECKED OUT OF THE ROOM.

THEY REKEYED THE ROOM. SOME ORDER FOR MABEL TO BE ABLE TO GET BACK TO THE DOOR WITH TWO SEPARATE PEOPLE ONLY ONE COMPLAINING AND WHEN THIS COMPLAINING IS THE PERSON THAT SAID THAT SHE LIKED MY COMPLAINT.

UNDERSTAND THE VIDEO LOOKS TERRIBLE AND THAT'S I DID SEND TO THE SUPERINTENDENT A COPY TO VERIFY WAS ON A CRUISE SHIP AND LEFT ON THE 22ND. THAT'S THE REASON I COULDN'T GET THE PHONE CALL OR THE EMAIL.

THAT'S WHY THAT HAD BEEN GIVEN. >> IF YOU COULD CHECK YOUR SENT BOX. I DID A QUICK SEARCH ENTER TO REFERENCE THE PHOTOS EARLIER. NOTHING HAS APPEARED TO COME THROUGH. THERE'S THE POTENTIAL TO FILTER OUT SOMETHING BUT I LOOKED AT THE EMAIL AND IT'S NOT THERE OTHERWISE I WOULD HAVE SHARED IT AND MAKE SURE IT WAS ADDED

TO COUNSEL'S PRESENTATION. >> I DO WANT TO ADD ONE MORE THING. TRUSTEE HARDEN, I THINK IT'S DIFFICULT FOR FOLKS TO GRASP BECAUSE I HAVE HAD PEOPLE ASKED ME ABOUT THIS BECAUSE IT'S A PUBLIC AGENDA ITEM.

IS THAT IF THIS SERVICE WAS SO POOR AND THIS WAS THE TREATMENT THAT YOU RECEIVED, IT BEGS THE QUESTION WHY A BASE IN THE MIDDLE OF THE HOTEL IS THE THING OF YOUR ATTENTION AT THE TIME. IF I'M GETTING BACK CUSTOMER SERVICE IT'S LIKE I DON'T EVER WANT TO SEE HIS PLACE AGAIN.

ASE AND ALL. AND SO I UNDERSTAND AND I GET THAT THIS SEAT CAUSES A LOT OF TENSION.

IT DOES. IT'S ROUGH APPEARED.

WE'VE HAD AN INCREDIBLE YEAR AND IT'S BEEN VERY DIFFICULT.

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WE CAN ONLY DO -- DEAL WITH WHAT WE HAVE PAID HIM INTERESTED IN SEEING WHAT THIS BOARD WOULD LIKE TO DO IN THIS SITUATION. I CAN SAY WHERE I MET HIM COMFORTABLE WITH VERBAL BECAUSE WE DO BELIEVE IN PROGRESSIVE DISCIPLINE. AND THERE ARE PIECES MISSING AND I THINK FACTS SHOULD BE ABLE TO COME OUT IF TRUSTEE HARDEN HAS MORE INFORMATION AVAILABLE AND MORE INFORMATION COMES OUT AND I THINK WE'RE LOOKINGAT A LIMITED SCOPE OF THIS BEHAVIOR IN ISOLATION STILL IS NOT UP TO STANDARD WITH OUR BYLAWS AND TERMS WITH HOW WE PRESENT OURSELVES IN PUBLIC. I WILL THROW THAT OUT THERE AND SEE IF ANY OTHER TRUSTEE HAS ANY COMMENTARY ON HIM AND GO

FROM THERE. >> WE AREN'T TEACHING WE WILL NOW BE MOVING TO THE ACTION ITEM DISCUSSION AND CONSIDERATION. WANT TO MAKE SURE WE ARE WHATEVER IS DONE OR NOT DONE IS FOLLOWED APPROPRIATELY.

>> IS THERE ANY TRUSTEE -- >> (AWAY MIC).

>> IF THIS INCIDENT OR WHAT DO WE HAVE SO FAR HAPPENED WITH AN EMPLOYEE, WHAT'S THE NORMAL COURSE THAT HE WILL TAKE.

>> THIS IS THE SECOND TIME WE ARE HAVING THIS KIND OF DISCUSSION. THIS ISN'T A NORMAL EMPLOYEE.

I MEAN, THAT'S UP TO YOU GUYS. I MEAN, THIS IS THE SECOND TIME WE ARE HERE IN A PUBLIC MEETING DISCUSSING.

SO YOU GUYS HAVE TO DECIDE. IT WOULD NOT BE FAIR FOR ME TO APPLY TO OTHER SITUATIONS BECAUSE THE STAFF'S PERSPECTIVE ON WHAT HAPPENED ON ISSUE 1 IS FAIRLY SIGNIFICANT.

>> (AWAY MIC). >> I JUST WANT TO SAY WHEN WE ARE ELECTED TO THE SCHOOL BOARD, YOU KNOW, THERE IS -- THERE ARE NUMEROUS DOCUMENTS ON THE ROLES AND RESPONSIBILITY OF THE SCHOOL BOARD MEMBERS. SCHOOL BOARD MEMBERS GO THROUGH TRAINING IN THEIR FIRST YEAR AND THE MASTER'S INN GOVERNMENT IS ALSO KNOWN AS MIG. BUT ONE OF THE THINGS THAT IS SORT OF DRILLED INTO US AS TRUSTEES IS THE SENSE OF TRUST, INTEGRITY, AND, YOU KNOW, AND AS TRUSTEE KAPLAN MENTIONED ABOUT OUR ROLE. OUR ROLE IN THE PUBLIC AND WHAT THE PERCEPTION IS. OUR ROLE IN THE SCHOOL BOARD.

AND SO WE KNOW THAT EVERY ACTION WE TAKE AS A CONSEQUENCE. EVERY NEGATIVE ACTION WE TAKE.

HETHER WE LIKE IT OR NOT IT HAS A CONSEQUENCE.

WE COULD GO TO THE GROCERY STORE AND SAY UNINTENTIONALLY TO SOMEONE AND THERE'S A CONSEQUENCE IN THIS COMMUNITY.

WE NEED TO BE CAREFUL. I KNOW IN MY ROLE AS A TRUSTEE FOR 22 YEARS THIS IS UNCOMFORTABLE FOR ME TO BE HERE BECAUSE IN 22 YEARS AND NEVER HAD TO COME BACK AND DISCUSS THE ROLE OF A TRUSTEE TWICE. WITHIN A YEAR.

I'VE NEVER HAD TO ADDRESS THE INAPPROPRIATE BEHAVIOR OF A TRUSTEE IN THAT TIMEFRAME. SO IN THAT SENSE, YOU KNOW, I DO GET TO DISCUSS CONFIDENTIALLY THE BEHAVIOR OF TEACHERS WHO ACT INAPPROPRIATELY, AND THEN I HAVE TO EVALUATE WHETHER OR NOT COLLECTIVELY WITH MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS ON CTC WHAT THE DISCIPLINE WILL BE FOR THOSE TEACHERS. SO I DO HAVE AN EXPERIENCE OF DOING IT ON A REGULAR BASIS. AND SO ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I AM CONCERNED ABOUT IS THAT WHEN WE DO SOMETHING INAPPROPRIATE, THERE ARE NUMEROUS TEACHING NOT ONLY DOES OUR COMMUNITY KNOW ABOUT IT, BUT ALSO DISTRICTS ACROSS THE STATE OF CALIFORNIA.

THEY PICK UP ON THIS INFORMATION.

SO THIS IS WHAT'S HAPPENING IN NATOMAS.

NATOMAS HAS ALREADY HAD UNFORTUNATE MEDIA COVERAGE ON

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AND SO IT JUST -- I'M ALWAYS REMINDED ABOUT THAT.

BUT YOU KNOW, I AGREE WITH MS. THURMAN THAT THE FOCUS SHOULD BE ON THE KIDS, AND THAT'S WHAT IT SHOULD BE.

BUT I KNOW THAT THE SUPERINTENDENT HAS SPENT AN INORDINATE AMOUNT OF TIME FOCUSING ON THIS ISSUE WHEN THE ISSUE SHOULD HAVE BEEN ON THE KIDS IN THIS DISTRICT.

AND THAT SADDENS ME. IT SADDENS ME THAT STAFF TIME AND STAFF HAVE TO BE IN THIS ROOM FOR THIS DISCUSSION BECAUSE I AM SURE THIS ALSO AFFECTS STAFF, STAFFERS SAYING TO I WANT TO WORK IN NATOMAS? F THE BOARD CAN'T KEEP IT TOGETHER, DO I WANT TO BE HERE? AND THAT'S ANOTHER LAYER OF CONCERN TO ME. BUT YOU KNOW, I THINK WE SHOULD TAKE OUR POSITION SERIOUSLY AND SO I LOOK FORWARD TO MOVING ON WITH HIS AND DISCUSSING WHAT OUR NEXT STEPS ARE AND WITH YOUR PERMISSION, I KNOW YOU HAVE STATED WHAT YOU -- > SHORT. I WANT TO MAKE SURE FROM THE PARLIAMENTARY STANDPOINT CHRIS RAISED AN ISSUE YOU KNOW IF WE FELT LIKE THIS HAS BEEN DISCUSSED AND WANT TO KEEP THAT OPPORTUNITY OPEN AND WE CAN MOVE TO ACTION ITEMS AND WE COULD HAVE PUBLIC COMMENT SO THAT'S ON THE.

BUT I WOULD LIKE TO CALL THE ITEM IN THE MAKING OF A

DISCUSSION. >> I PROMISE I WILL TAKE MORE THAN 32 SECONDS. SO I AM SORRY WE ARE HERE TODAY TOO. AND YES, SINCE I'VE BEEN ON THE BOARD I SEEM TO BE A HOT TOPIC. MY BOOK WILL BE GREAT BUT LET'S BE CLEAR THAT PERSON HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH ME.

SO I DON'T THINK THAT'S RIGHT FOR US TO BE DEALING WITH THIS BECAUSE I WAS FOUND NOT GUILTY OF ALL DISCHARGES OR WHOEVER WENT TO LOOK AT IT. IF WE COULD GET THE ENTIRE VIDEO THE SAME THING WITH JOE TODAY.

THE WOMAN WAS ANGRY AND THERE WERE TWO PEOPLE THERE.

I GOT PERMISSION TO TAKE THAT PACE OUT.

WHETHER OR NOT I SAID THE CORRECT NAME OF THE SUPERINTENDENT, IT SHOULDN'T HAVE TAKEN THE PHONE CALL WHILE HE WAS ON A CRUISE SHIP WITH MY CLIENTS BECAUSE I TRY TO ALWAYS THE SECOND WAS ABLE TO LOOK AT IT I DID.

I CAN'T GET TO IT BUT I DID SEND IT OFF I WILL MAKE SURE I SHOT MAYBE CAN BE A PART OF IT. WHATEVER THE DECISION HERE TODAY I UNDERSTAND THAT IT WAS BECAUSE OF THAT BUT AT NO TIME DID I STEP OVER OR BREAK ANY BYLAWS OR POLICIES.

I CONDUCTED MYSELF ACCORDING LEAD THE ENTIRE TIME AND ASKED

[V.a. Discussion and Consideration of Options Regarding Board Member Harden Related to Alleged Violation of Board Policy and Bylaws]

BUT IT IS TOTALLY UNFAIR TO SAY TWO DIFFERENT THINGS ONE THAT HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH ME BECAUSE THIS ONE DOES AND I ACCEPT THAT. I DID ASK PERMISSION.

THANK YOU. >> OKAY.

>> STILL ON THE DISCUSSION?> I'M READY TO MOVE ON TO THE ACTION ITEM DISCUSSION AND CONSIDERATION OF OPTIONS REGARDING GETTING VIOLATION BOARD POLICY AND BYLAWS.

>> I KNOW THAT YOU AND TRUSTEE VEINS ARE SUPPORTIVE OF A VERBAL REPRIMAND I CAN DO A VERBAL REPRIMAND AND DO BEHAVIOR PERFORMANCES. I WOULD SAY THAT -- FIRST OF

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YOU CAN DO IT WITH IN SACRAMENTO OR CLOSE BY SACRAMENTO. IT JUST DEPENDS ON THE SCHEDULE.ND I KNOW THAT RUSTY GRANT IS ALWAYS LOOKING FOR WAYS TO SAVE THE TAXPAYERS MONEY.

SO THAT MIGHT BE ONE THING TO THINK ABOUT, JUST KIND OF THINKING THAT MIGHT BE ONE THING WE LOOK AT BECAUSE THE TAXPAYERS ARE STAYING WHERE THEY GOING ALL THE WAY THERE? AND I KNOW THAT YOU CAN CHANGE GROUPS BECAUSE I'VE DONE THAT

MYSELF. TWO TIMES.>> I APPRECIATE

THAT. >> I WOULD ALSO LIKE US TO CONSIDER, YOU KNOW, LOOKING AT SOME OTHER OPTIONS HERE AND MAYBE THE OPTION -- WE HAD A RESOLUTION STATING THAT TRUSTEE HARDEN WOULD NOT HOLD A LEADERSHIP POSITION AND I'M INTERESTED IN EXPLORING THAT IDEA OF NOT HOLDING A LEADERSHIP POSITION. THIS BOARD PUT THAT RESOLUTION TO A VOTE ONCE AND THEN WE FOUR OR FIVE OR SIX MONTHS LATER SENT OKAY. THERE WILL BE NO MORE INFRACTIONS. WE HAD FAITH.

AND NOW WE ARE BACK HERE AGAIN. SO I WOULD LIKE US TO CONSIDER -- I WOULD LIKE US TO CONSIDER. THE OTHER THING TO DECIDE LIKE US TO CONSIDER ALSO THAT WHATEVER TRAINING TRUSTEE HARDEN WANTS TO GO THROUGH THAT WE SAY, SURE, BECAUSE WE WANT EVERYBODY TO BE TRAINED AND EVERYBODY TO BE TRAINED IN A WAY THAT MAKES THEM AN EFFECTIVE BOARD MEMBER BUT I ALSO SAY THAT WE WOULD STIPULATE THAT THERE BEING NO INFRACTIONS OF THAT TRUST IN TERMS OF BEHAVIOR ON THE FUTURE OPPORTUNITIES TO GO THROUGH TRAINING.

THOSE ARE A COUPLE OF THINGS. I ALSO WOULD LIKE TO RECOMMEND TRUSTEE HARDY GO THROUGH AN ETHICS TRAINING.

WE ALL GO THROUGH ETHICS TRAINING WE ARE MANDATED TO GO THROUGH ETHICS TRAINING. I DON'T THINK THAT'S AN UNREASONABLE REQUEST. THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE DID.

SO THOSE ARE IDEAS. SO I'M JUST GOING TO KIND OF THROW THOSE OUT THERE AND SEE WHERE WE GO.

>> TRUSTEE KAPLAN. >> TO FOLLOW UP WITH THE TRUSTEE TO SEE IF I UNDERSTAND CORRECTLY, I MIGHT GO BACKWARDS. I AM IN AGREEMENT AND SUPPORT THAT TRUSTEE HARDEN WE WOULD REQUEST ETHICS TRAINING DO OCCUR. I AM SUPPORTIVE OF AT THIS TIME SAYING THAT ANY FURTHER MIG OR TRAINING MAY BE BE DONE FOR NO OVERNIGHT STAYS ARE REQUIRED I KNOW SACRAMENTO IS A HUB AND THIS IS A PLACE THAT THOSE TRAININGS COULD OCCUR AND MAYBE IF A YEAR FROM NOW NO FURTHER INCIDENTS OCCUR, IT'S WHEREVER MIG TRAINING SHOWS UP AND AS TRUSTEE GRANT, YOU STATED I BELIEVE IN PROGRESSIVE DISCIPLINE.

IT IS HARD TO SEPARATE THAT THE FIRST TIME WE WERE BROUGHT HERE IT WAS UNDER AN INVESTIGATION INITIATED BY THE ATTORNEY GENERAL INTO ERIKA HARDEN INTO THE APPROPRIATE USE OF HER LICENSE AND POTENTIAL ALLEGATIONS OF DEFRAUDING THE DISTRICT.ES, THE -- OUT OF 13 OR 16, MAYBE $1000, IT IS MY UNDERSTANDING THAT THE AG DROPPED THE INVESTIGATION AND DID NOT MOVE FORWARD, SO I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT'S VERY CLEAR THAT IT WASN'T SOMEBODY WAS FOUND THAT THEY ARE NOT GUILTY, JUST THE INVESTIGATION DID NOT MOVE FORWARD BUT IT IS SOMETHING ON AN INVESTIGATION OF THAT THAT TALKS ABOUT MORAL TURPITUDE AND TRUTH AND VERACITY AND THAT WE AS A COLLECTIVE BOARD DID SAY IT'S A SERIOUS ALLEGATION AND THAT IT'S APPROPRIATE FOR TRUSTEE HARDEN NOT ALL LEADERSHIP AND A FURTHER DISCUSSION OF WHICH THIS BOARD DID REMOVE THAT STIPULATION, BUT AGAIN, WE ARE HERE AGAIN AND I HAVE CONCERNS ABOUT VERACITY OF TRUTHFULNESS, MORAL TURPITUDE, MISTAKES, PERCEPTION, ALLEGATIONS.T DOESN'T LOOK GOOD.

AND FOR ME, PROGRESSIVE DISCIPLINE MEANS WE'VE ALREADY HAD AN INCIDENT. AND SO I THINK IT WOULD BE

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AND THAT'S A STANDARD WE NEED TO RISE TO.

AND IT IS UNFORTUNATE THAT WE ARE HERE WE ARE HAVING THIS DISCUSSION, BUT I THINK IT DOES BEAR THE CONVERSATION THAT WE DO HOLD OURSELVES TO A HIGHER STANDARD IN ALL THESE OTHER ACCOUNTABLE. MEAN, I'M OPEN TO ALL OF THOSE AND THAT'S KIND OF WHERE MY POSITION IS.> THANK YOU TRUSTEE KAPLAN.

IT'S HARD FOR ME TO DISAGREE WITH ANY OF THOSE THINGS BUT I ALSO BELIEVE AS BOARD MEMBERS WE HAVE TO BE MODELS FOR JUSTICE AND MERCY. AND IN MY FAITH, NO ONE IS BEYOND REDEMPTION EVER. AND AS HARD AS IT IS FOR ME TO BELIEVE THAT A LOT OF TIMES I HAVE TO PRACTICE WHAT I PREACH.

I WOULD BE COMFORTABLE WITH WHAT THE TRUSTEE HAS PROPOSED BUT I WOULD LIKE TO PUT A CAP ON THE ADVANCE MEANINGLESS THESE THINGS HAVE BEEN COMPLETED THEN WE CAN REVISIT LEADERSHIP. I DON'T WANT TO DO SOME OPEN-ENDED THIS IS JUST MY OPINION.

OPEN-ENDED WHERE THIS IS GOING DOWN FOUR OR FIVE ADMINISTRATIONS TO A YEAR LATER OR A YEAR AND 15 MONTHS OR I WILL BE GONE. I DO NOT WANT TO KEEP THE DISTRICT FOCUSED ON THIS NUMBER LIKE THE DISTRICT WE HAVE TAKEN A BEATING AND THERE'S MORE TO COME IN THERE SO MANY ISSUES AND OUR DISTRICT WE HAVE TO SOLVE.

I WOULD LIKE TRUSTEE HARDEN'S AND PUT BECAUSE ON THAT FIRST RESOLUTION WE DID HAVE THE SUPPORT AND I THINK TRUSTEE HARDEN RECOGNIZER REGARDLESS OF WHERE EVERYTHING IS IT'S NOT A GOOD LOOK. AND SO I'D LIKE YOUR OPINION ON THIS MATTER IF YOU CARE TO SHARE.

NO ONE IS FORCED TO SPEAK. YOU KNOW, WE ALL HAVE THE RIGHT TO BE QUIET TOO SOLID TO GIVE GET YOUR FEEDBACK AND I THINK WITH DAVE PROPOSED AND ALSO INTIMACY WAS NOT GOING TO SAY THIS BUT SUE IS ALSO THE PRESIDENT.

AND HOW SHE FEELS AND THE CONVERSATION IS ALSO VERY IMPORTANT CONSIDERING ADJUSTER STATUTE ON THE BOARD BUT HER POSITION STATEWIDE AS WELL I JUST WANTED TO ADD THAT

CONVERSATION. >> I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH TAKING THE ETHICS TRAINING AS I MENTIONED TO YOU BEFORE BECAUSE OF IT WAS THE FIRST WENT ONLINE AND IT WAS HORRIFIC.

IF THERE'S ANYTHING I CAN LEARN FROM THAT I LOOK FORWARD TO THAT. I HAVE NO PROBLEMS ARE NOT BEING ABLE TO SIT HERE ON THE BOARD AND HAVE SOME KIND OF STATUS QUO. I DO HAVE A PROBLEM WITH NOT BEING ABLE TO ATTEND THE MIG BECAUSE IT IS NOT BEING OFFERED IN SACRAMENTO I'M NOT AN ONLINE BLOGGER WAS ONLY BEING OFFERED ONLINE AND I'M TOO OLD ENOUGH HARDY PUT INTO MUCH TIME WITHOUT BEING ABLE TO GET THE PROPER TRAINING BECAUSE NOT OF ANYTHING HERE BUT JUST BECAUSE OF THE PANDEMIC AND THE WAY THINGS GO. I WILL MEET YOU HALFWAY IF THAT IS OKAY. I WILL PAY FOR MY OWN HOTEL ROOMS AND NOT LOOK AT ANY REIMBURSEMENT AND AIRLINE EITHER PICKING A PARTY PAID FOR THE MIG TRAINING.

IF YOU CHECK WITH THE NAME OF HIRE WAS A MODEL CITIZEN SO I'M HOPING TO CONTINUE ON WITH MY COHORT.

>> I APPRECIATE THAT. YOU RAN FOR THE SEAT AND YOU DO HAVE BOARD ENHANCEMENT AVAILABLE.

SO COMING OUT OF POCKET FOR JOB THAT PAYS FOR 20 A MONTH IS NOT MY SWAG. SO TRUSTING HER READY UNLIKE TO GET YOUR INPUT ON WHAT TRUSTEE HARDEN IS OFFERED.

SHE'S MADE SOME STATEMENTS ABOUT BEING ABLE TO GET THE PROPER TRAINING AND HEAR WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.

BUT THIS IS A DISCUSSION AND WE ARE COLLABORATING TO FIND A

SOLUTION. P>> (AWAY MIC).

>> DO YOU WANT ME TO RECAP? SORRY.

YES MA'AM. (AWAY MIC).

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>> DOES NOT WANT HAVE OFFERED UPON SATISFACTORY COMPLETION OF

THE ETHICS TRAINING. >> CAN OFFER A POTENTIAL AMENDMENT TO THAT? THE SUCCESSFUL COMPLETION OF ETHICS TRAINING AND THAT IF THIS BOARD DOES ALLOW HER TO CONTINUE TO GO DOWN TO MIG ON DISTRICT COSTS UPON COMPLETION OF TRAINING SO I AM OKAY IF WHEN SHE COMPLETES HER COHORT OF ETHICS AND IN THE ENTIRE TRAINING AND THERE'S NO

INSTANCE. >> I AM COMFORTABLE WITH THAT.

I THINK THAT'S WHAT YOU HAVE PROPOSED.

(AWAY MIC). >> TRUSTEE HARDEN DID BRING A POTENTIALLY TAKING TRUSTEE WHICH WOULD BE OFFERED IN

DECEMBER AT C SBA. >> I WILL PAY FOR THAT MYSELF BUT I DID STATE FROM THE VERY BEGINNING THAT I DID NOT GET ANYTHING OUT OF IT JUST BECAUSE WE LOST ABOUT TWO HOURS BECAUSE THEY WERE HAVING SO MUCH TRAINING.

>> (AWAY FROM MIC). >> I'VE DONE THIS AND SAID THIS WITH OUR EXPULSIONS IS THAT I DON'T DUTY I'M SURE GOING TO GET A BARRAGE OF EMAILS MAKING THIS STATEMENT.

I'VE NEVER REALLY SEEN THAT THE CORRELATION BETWEEN COMMUNITY SERVICING AND THE CHANGE OF BEHAVIOR WHEN YOU'RE TRYING TO FOCUS ON THE SPECIFIC BEHAVIOR IN THE COMMUNITY SERVICE SOMETIMES FOCUSES ON OTHER THINGS TO DO.

I THINK THAT ERA GARDEN TRUSTEE HARDEN I THINK SHE DOES A LOT OF COMMUNITY SERVICE IN TERMS OF WHEN SHE VISITS SCHOOLS AND SHE GOES TO BACK TO SCHOOL NIGHTS AND WHATEVER OTHER THINGS THAT ARE HAPPENING IN THIS COMMUNITY.

I WOULD NOT RECOMMEND THAT BECAUSE I THINK IT'S ALREADY PART OF WHAT WE DO. LIKE YOU SAID $400 IS LIKE WE ARE DOING COMMUNITY SERVICE. SO THAT'S NOT ONE THING THAT I

WOULD RECOMMEND. >> IT SOUNDS LIKE THERE IS CONSENSUS. WAS THERE ANYTHING ELSE DID HE.

>> NOT AT ALL. >> I JUST WANT TO KEEP THINGS GERMANE WHICH THEY HAVE BEEN AND IT SOUNDS LIKE SUE, WOULD YOU BE COMFORTABLE MAKING THAT MOTION IS AMENDED BY LISA?

>> I WAS REALLY DISTURBED AND I JUST WANT TO ADDRESS IT.

SO MS. THURMAN, AGAIN, THANK YOU FOR POINTING OUT WHERE THE FOCUS SHOULD BE IN ON THE KIDS THAT WE SHOULD FOCUS ON BECAUSE OF -- BECAUSE OF THE TEST SCORES AND I DON'T THINK ANY OF US UP HERE EVER FORGET THAT. I THINK IT'S ALWAYS THERE I THINK WE'RE TRYING TO WORK HARD TO SEE THAT WE WORK HARD TO MAKE SURE STUDENTS GET THE EDUCATION THEY DESERVE IN THE TEST SCORES ARE HIGHER THAN WHAT THEY CURRENTLY ARE.UT I WAS CONCERNED ABOUT THE ISSUE OF BEING A WOMAN OF COLOR AND

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I KNOW IT IS ANOTHER POTENTIAL. AS MUCH AS IT FITS THAT CATEGORY MOST ARE VERY AWARE OF MY BEHAVIOR.

AND SO I ALWAYS HAVE TO CHECK MYSELF AND THINK ABOUT WHEN I DO SOMETHING WHAT'S THE CONSEQUENCE OF THAT BEHAVIOR, SO I WAS UNCOMFORTABLE BECAUSE I DIDN'T WANT RACE TO BECOME AN ISSUE IN THIS DISCUSSION. I WANTED TO KEEP THE DISCUSSION FOCUSED ON THE FACTS, FOCUSED ON THE FACT THAT OUR LEGAL COUNSEL BROUGHT IT AND FOCUS ON THE FACTS THE SUPERINTENDENT BROUGHT TO US. I JUST HAD TO PUT THAT OUT THERE, THAT AS SOMEONE WHO HAS BEEN IN MANY SITUATIONS WHERE IT COULD BE -- I COULD INTERPRET IT HAS TO DO WITH WHO I AM AND THE CATEGORIES THAT I FALL INTO, BUT I ALSO KNOW THAT I DO HAVE TO KEEP MYSELF IN CHECK AND I DO HAVE A PUBLIC IMAGE AND I HAVE TO ALWAYS THINK ABOUT MY BEHAVIOR.

WITH THAT I WILL MAKE THE MOTION.

>> QUICK QUESTION ON PROCESS. WE ARE MAKING A MOTION.

>> THE MOTION -- >> IS THIS A WRITTEN STATEMENT MOTION? DO WE HAVE TO PASS A RESOLUTION

MOTION? >> SO I THINK THAT FIRST IT WAS A VERBAL IN ADDITION TO SOME ACTIONS THAT I BELIEVE OUR STAFF IS GOING TO CODIFY BASED ON BOARD DIRECTION.

>> I THINK WE NEED GUIDANCE. >> WE HAVE OUR LAWYER HERE SO THAT HELPS. JUST A REMINDER OF THE LAST TIME THERE WAS NO RESOLUTION EXCEPT TO UNWIND THE CONVERSATION.O THIS IS SIMILAR TO LAST TIME EXCEPT LAST TIME IF I COULD, SO THERE'S CLARITY BECAUSE I EXPECT QUESTIONS COMING UP IF THE BOARD WILL ALLOW ME I WILL SAY THIS COMMENT. WHEN THERE WERE DISCUSSIONS ON THE LAST INCIDENT INFO SESSION IT WAS BECAUSE THERE WAS POTENTIAL LITIGATION IN PROCESS WHICH IS ALSO SOMETHING THAT WOULD ALLOW CLOSED SESSION DISCUSSIONS TO TAKE PLACE OTHER THAN JUST DISCIPLINE. AND WHEN THIS AND IF THERE ARE QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT I WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT'S CLARIFIED.

>> WITHOUT OBJECTION. SO WHAT DO YOUHAVE?

>> SO YOU -- HERE ARE OPTIONS THAT ARE LISTED ON THIS SLIDE FOR YOU BUT OF COURSE, THE BOARD HAS THE RIGHT, THE OPPORTUNITY TO MAKE A VERBAL MOTION AS TO THE TERMS AND CIRCUMSTANCES FOR ANY TYPE OF PARAMETERS AS FAR AS REPERCUSSIONS, RESULTS OF THIS REPORT.

>> SO I THINK WHAT TRUSTEE KAPLAN IS ASKING IS HOW IS THIS

FORMALIZED. >> OKAY.

IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT THERE WOULD BE A MOTION FOR THE BOARD TO APPROVE A VERBAL REPRIMAND THAT WOULD INCLUDE THE COMPLETION OF MIG TRAINING WHICH I BELIEVE IS AUGUST OR OCTOBER 2022 COMPLETION OF AN ETHICS TRAINING TIME TO BE DETERMINED, RE-ATTENDANCE OF THE NEW TRUSTEE ORIENTATION IN DECEMBER AND IS EITHER EARLY DECEMBER OR LATE NOVEMBER THIS YEAR OF 2020 JOINER LEADERSHIP UNTIL THOSE THINGS ARE ACCOMPLISHED WHICH WOULD MEAN THAT IF THOSE THINGS WERE ACCOMPLISHED BEFORE TD WITH THE COMPLETION OF NEW TRUSTEE ORIENTATION THE BOARD WOULD THEN EITHER AUTOMATICALLY AND THAT UNDER THOSE THINGS WERE DONE IT WOULD BE OVER FOR NO RESOLUTION TO HAVE TO COME BACK LIKE LAST TIME.

THOSE THINGS ARE DONE AND IT'S OVER AND IT COULD ALL BE

VERBAL. >> THAT'S CORRECT.

>> I LIKE THE NEW TRUSTEE ORIENTATION ON THAT.

IF THAT'S OKAY. >> I THINK IT SHOULD BE.

>> I AM OF MIND THAT UNFORTUNATELY THIS IS THE SECOND TIME IN A SHORT AMOUNT OF TIME.

I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THAT THIS IS AT LEAST IF YOU'RE ABLE TO FINISH IT RIGHT AWAY, THAT THIS WOULD, OF COURSE, BE UP TO FUTURE BOARD MEMBERS BUT IF ANY INAPPROPRIATE BEHAVIOR IS EXHIBITED THAT THE NO POSITION OF LEADERSHIP AUTOMATICALLY GOES BACK INTO PLACE. I MEAN, I KNOW THAT CAN BE UNWOUND BY THE NEW BOARD, BUT I THINK THAT IF WE DON'T HAVE A

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>> OKAY. >> I'M CONFUSED.

SO THERE'S TWO THINGS. IF THAT'S TO BE ADDED AND THE SECOND THING ON THE VERBAL AND WRITTEN.

SO IT SEEMS LIKE CAN I GET SOMEONE TO HELPED ME UNDERSTAND THE DIFFERENCE -- I KNOW THIS IS LIKE A VERBAL AND THERE IS THE STEPS THAT YOU WOULD FIND IN A FORMAL RESOLUTION, BUT ARE WE REALLY TALKING ABOUT A WRITTEN?I MEAN, BECAUSE WE ARE ADDING THE THINGS ON THE SLIDES UP THERE ON THE BOTTOM?

>> I DON'T BELIEVE SO. I BELIEVE THE BOARD IS CONTEMPLATING A VERBAL RECOMMEND WITH SOME STIPULATIONS IN ORDER TO PULL IN THE -- HOLD A LEADERSHIP POSITION. THAT CAN BE ADJUSTED.

I MEAN IT CAN BE MOVED TO A WRITTEN REPRIMAND OR A CENTRAL RESOLUTION. I BELIEVE THE WAY THE PORT IS GOING RIGHT NOW IS A VERBAL REPRIMAND AND A MOTION REQUIRING -- REQUIRING ETHICS TRAINING NEW TRUSTEE TRAINING IN ORDER TO BE ABLE TO HOLD A LEADERSHIP POSITION ON THE

BOARD. >> TIES TO THE ONLY QUESTION THAT I THINK WAS JUST BROUGHT UP AND THAT WAS ONE WITH THE LEADERSHIP AND? INITIALLY THE CONVERSATION WAS AT THE COMPLETION OF THESE TRAININGS.

TO BE COMPLETED AS EARLY AS OCTOBER.

WE ARE ABLE TO FIND THE TRAINING QUICKLY WITH THE ADDITION OF THE NEW ORIENTATION IT GOES THROUGH EARLY DECEMBER WHICH DOES NOT AFFECT ANY LEADERSHIP IN DECEMBER.

I THINK TRUSTEE KAPLAN BROUGHT UP SOME ADJUSTMENT OF THE LEADERSHIP. I MEAN, IT APPEARS THAT THE MAJORITY OF THE BOARD AT LEAST AS OF TWO MINUTES AGO WAS THERE ARE REPRIMAND AND WAS THERE IN THE COMPLETION OF MIG.

WAS THERE ON COMPLETING ETHICS. THE NEW TRUSTEE ORIENTATION CAME UP AND THERE WAS THE INITIAL DISCUSSION AND THEN THE LEADERSHIP COMPONENT IS REALLY WHERE THIS NEEDS -- SEEMS TO BE A QUESTION IN THE ADD-ON TO THAT WAS IF ANY INAPPROPRIATE BEHAVIOR EXISTS. SO I GUESS IN AN ATTEMPT TO HELP IS THE VERBAL REPRIMAND WHERE YOU ARE AS OF RIGHT NOW.

>> I BELIEVE THAT'S WHERE THE BOARD IS.

>> COULD PIGGYBACK TO TRUSTEE KAPLAN'S RECOMMENDATION AGAIN? SO YOUR LAST RECOMMENDATION WAS -- I WOULD LIKE TO SEE HER ABILITY TO HOLD LEADERSHIP COULD GO INTO PLAY BUT THIS

EXISTS UNTIL JANUARY 2023. >> WELL, IF YOU -- IF ALL OF THE OTHER THINGS ARE COMPLETED IN JANUARY 2023.

>> UNCOMFORTABLE WITH WHAT WAS PROPOSED BEFORE.

I THINK IF SHE COMPLETES WHAT WE HAVE LAID OUT WITHOUT INCIDENT, JUST BASED ON MY PRINCIPLES.

DOMINIC PRINCIPLES IT SHOULD BE WHEN SHE'S COMPLETED THE

TRAINING. >> AND THAT WOULD BE EARLY

DECEMBER. >> THAT IS CORRECT.

>> BECAUSE THAT'S AT CS BA. >> IT MAY BE LONGER DEPENDING ON ETHICS BUT I THINK IT'S UNFAIR TO GO PAST ONCE I'M FINISHED WITH ETHICS. (AWAY FROM MIC).

>> IS NOT PERSONAL TO ME. JUST FOR THE RECORD THIS IS LIFE. JUST -- IT'S NOT PERSONAL TO ME.T'S MY PERSONAL PRINCIPLES.

THIS BOARD -- ALL IT TAKES IS THREE BETWEEN NOW AND DECEMBER.

SO THAT'S A FACT AND TRUSTEE KAPLAN HAS ADDED ONE STIPULATION WE HAD NOT CONSIDERED.

IF THERE IS ANOTHER BREACH OF ETHICS, WHAT HAPPENS? I THINK THAT'S FAIR. BUT I WOULD JUST ADD IT HAS TO BE A STRICT AGREEMENT WITH OUR BYLAWS.

I CAN'T BE OH I DIDN'T LIKE THE WAY SOMEONE TALK TO ME SO THAT'S A VIOLATION. IT CAN'T BE POLITICAL IN NATURE. I THINK --

>> I'M IN AGREEMENT IT HAS TO BE A BOARD POLICY.

ABSOLUTELY. AND A BOARD POLICY.

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>> I DO THINK THAT DECISION WOULD BE BY THE BOARD.

>> NICE TRY. >> SO IT IS NOT PERSONAL TO ME BUT IT IS PERSONAL AND THAT WHEN I STAND THERE AND TAKE AN OATH I'M TAKING AN OATH TO TELL THE TRUTH AND I'M TAKING AN OATH TO REPRESENT AND THESE ARE TWO INCIDENCES OF SERIOUS MORAL TURPITUDE THAT HAVE BEEN PRESENTED AND SO FOR ME, THAT DOES CAUSE A LITTLE HEARTACHE BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT'S BEEN PRESENTED AND THERE ARE INCONSISTENCIES AND THIS IS THE SECOND TIME.I ABSOLUTELY BELIEVE IN REDEMPTION BUT NOT SO MUCH THAT THIS IS THE SECOND TIME THAT COME DECEMBER SOMEBODY CAN HOLD LEADERSHIP POSITION WHEN THERE HAVE BEEN TWO INCIDENCES OF MORAL TURPITUDE BECAUSE I GO BACK TO WHAT OUR PRESIDENT DOCTOR SUSAN IT HAS BEEN PRESIDENT FOR ALMOST 2 YEARS AT CS BA BECAUSE OF THE PRIOR DEPTH OF WHAT IT PRESENTS AS TO THE THOMAS UNIFIED AND REPRESENTS TO THE REST OF CALIFORNIA THAT THIS BOARD IS NOT HOLDING OURSELVES ACCOUNTABLE WHEN ISSUES OF MORAL TURPITUDE HAVE BEEN PRESENTED OF ISSUES OF TRUTHFULNESS AND WHAT DOES NOT STAY TO THE STAFF THAT WERE HERE THAT IF THEY GO LOOK AND HAVE JOBS ELSEWHERE HOWEVER THEY LOOKED AT? HOW ARE WE HOLDING OURSELVES TO THAT HIGHER STANDARD? AND SO I WOULD HOLD SUE TO THE SAME STANDARD.

ANYBODY WAS IN FRONT OF ME, THESE ARE REALLY SERIOUS ISSUES THAT I WANT TO RISE ABOVE ENSURE WE ARE BETTER THAN WHAT'S HAPPENING IN THIS NATION.

THAT IS BETTER THAN WHAT'S HAPPENING IN THIS PAPER THAT WE HOLD OURSELVES TO THESE TRUTHS AND ACT APPROPRIATELY.

THIS IS AN IMPORTANT ISSUE BECAUSE I DON'T BELIEVE EVEN IF THEY ARE JUST ALLEGATIONS THE PERCEPTION IS IN THE PUBLIC TALKS. AND THE STAFF TALKS THAT IF WE DON'T HOLD OURSELVES TO HIGHER STANDARDS I DON'T BELIEVE ANYBODY WHO HAD DONE ANY OF THIS SHOULD HOLD LEADERSHIP POSITION AND THAT'S WHY I WOULD SAY AND I WANT THIS TO GO THROUGH JANUARY 2020.> OKAY. I THINK I'VE MADE -- I APPRECIATE THAT. I HAVE A LOT OF RESPECT YOU THINK I MADE IT CLEAR AND COMFORTABLE THIS EVENING AND SO I'M GOING TO WITHHOLD ANY FURTHER COMMENT.

I THINK WE HAD A CONSENSUS A MINUTE AGO AND I'M GOING TO DO WHAT I ALWAYS DO AND I'M GOING TO HAVE FAITH.

SO SHOULD NOT BE SHOCKED TO SAY THAT I HAVE FAITH IS A MOTION? UNLESS THERE'S MORE DISCUSSION. HAVE WE MADE A MOTION? THE MOTION WAS -- THE PRIOR NOT WITH JANUARY.

JUST TO BE CLEAR. SO THERE'S A MOTION AND I'M GOING TO GO AHEAD AND SECOND IT.

>> JUST FOR CLARIFICATION I WANT TO MAKE SURE I HAVE THAT VERBAL REPRIMAND, COMPLETION OF THE MIG, COMPLETION OF ETHICS, COMPLETION OF THE NEW TRUSTEE ORIENTATION AND NO LEADERSHIP UNTIL THAT'S DONE. IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE?

I THINK THAT WAS IT. >> ALL RIGHT.

SO THERE'S A MOTION AND THERE IS A SECOND.

CAN YOU PLEASE CALL THE ROLE?

(ROLL CALLED). >> MOTION CARRIES.

THERE'S NOTHING ELSE BEFORE THE BOARD WE CALL THIS MEETIN

* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.